Joy Division Documentary: Q+A Peter Hook and Tom Atencio
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Here's a series of reflections on
thirty years of Joy Division and New Order, by Peter Hook and Tom Atencio, during a post-Joy Division screening hosted by Belvedere vodka and Radar magazine at the New Museum in lower Manhattan. Peter Hook certainly tells a great story, and this Q+A has its share of Peter-isms ("I'm fucking glad
I was in Joy Division or else everybody would be comparing us to Joy Division") and while I can't forgive any DJ ever for playing "Bizarre Love Triangle" it was damn cool to hear it played on a tiny soundsystem in a darkened bar, by DJ Peter Hook at the after-party...'reminded me of what remains
one of my greatest moments in my own servitude to music and doin' the devil's bidding, when a just-out-of-college me found himself onstage (my first full "Access All" pass) during the Technique tour as New Order played "1963" which is simply one of the most powerful songs I've ever heard. Call me se
ntimental, I won't deny it. Anyway, Joy Division the documentary feels too-long overdue, especially in the wake of the biopics "24-Hour Party People" and Control...I'll confess that I think biopics are inherently too flawed to be of any real use, tho' I'm likely a minority of one in this
view. But at the end of the day, If all you saw was "24-Hour...." and "Control", it's very fair to say that the participation of other band members makes "Joy Division" required viewing...as Tom Atencio the film's producer (and 20-year New Order manager) says in-panel, it was important that som
eone present these cats in their own words and not just as elements to be manipulated by the constraints of a feature film. Even Hooky cops to being floored by seeing other band members discussing Ian on-cam, which they'd never done before, not even with each other. So instead of bel
ly laughs, this film kicks you in the gut more than a few times, like when the late Tony Wilson asks himself in a still-agonized tone all these years later: "How can you be so fucking stupid?!" and not have seen that Ian Curtis was about to take that final leap of faith.
It would have been great to have learned much more about the under-heralded Martin Hannett whom like so many brilliant persons, never quite got his proper due from behind the scenes, tho' it was interesting to learn that with the excep
tion of JG Ballard, Ian Curtis and I (and admittedly tons of others brooding post-adolescents) shared the same reading list: Nietzsche, Hesse, Dostyevsky, et, al...I always thought "She's Lost Control" was from the scene in Crime and Punishment where Roddy's single-mom neighbor finally loses it, and
plunges headlong into a wrenching, public humiliation of her and her children; instead I learned that Ian was a social worker and that the vignette he depicts in "She's Lost Control" was about one of the many unfortunate persons he oversaw -- and this is important in explaining that Ian wasn't ju
st obsessed with genocide but that rather he was, in his daily life committed to helping others who'd been marginalized, and it took a punishing toll on him, which compounded his already mammoth guilt over letting down band members and a wife and child and a girlfriend, as he tried to manage them, a
long with impending rock stardom and the caseload of a social worker... it all left me wondering if he'd ever read "The Case Worker" and whether that helped or hurt him...it might have turned him into a yuppie... whether that or rock stardom was a fate worse than death is not for anyone -- except hi
s child -- to say. The following item came over the newswire a few days back: UPDATED 9:32 a.m. ET, Thurs., July. 3, 2008 LONDON - Thieves have stolen a memorial stone for Ian Curtis, frontman of the influential British post-punk band Joy Division. The stone, bearing the epitaph "Love Will Tear
Us Apart" — the title of the band's most famous song — was taken from Macclesfield Crematorium in northern England on Monday or Tuesday, police said. Fans from all over the world would travel to the site to pay their respects, often leaving messages and tokens behind.
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A with Atencio.
A with Peter Hook, but they showed that same documentary, and after there was a Q
A with Atencio and I believe the director (I forget who he was but he helped on the production). I wish I had known about the Peter Hook interview one I would have loved to be there! This was this past July at the IFC at West 4th.